SG:A 4x20 - The Last Man
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stillaneFair warning: coherence? *dies laughing* Mostly, this is just an excuse to abuse the word 'oh' and the italics button.
Maybe I wasn't awake yet, maybe I was just in shock, but I have to admit that the first time through didn't hit me all that hard. I thought, Yeah, interesting and certainly ouch, but it'll get fixed.
And then I watched it again.
Oh. Just... oh.
The specifics:
- I'm really curious about where they're going with the Genii. I like that it's not a simple resolve, that they're drawing out the uncertainty like an actual conflict between nations.
- I love the colors in this episode so, so much. I love that the first scene on the planet with Lorne is vibrant and green and alive, and that Atlantis is instantly so foreign. Beautiful, always beautiful, but like a photographic negative.
- I love the soundtrack - or more accurately the lack thereof - at the best moments here. The utter silence when John comes through the gate... oh.
- Then we get Doctor Who music. Hee.
- The contrast to that very first time they came through the gate is fantastic. There's nothing here now. No 10,000-year-old dead plants, no commemorative plaque, nothing. What kills me is the lack of sheets over the equipment. The Ancients always assumed they were coming back; whatever happened this time around, we didn't.
- John talking to himself when the world goes to hell never gets old.
- I'll say it for the first time here, but you can bet it won't be the last. Jesus god, guys, Hewlett in this one.... Even his voice is different in that first radio conversation. It takes a while to sink in, but there's so much missing, so much worn away. God.
- Oh, man. The entire scene in the hologram room. The first time through it was just cool and explanatory, but the second time... This is where I crumbled. This is where it's all so obvious in retrospect that what's coming is horrific, and just how much hope is resting on this one last try.
- The way Rodney looks at John is heartbreaking. It's hope and history and an edge of pain.
- I adore "You remember me the... the way I was," and the fact that it's not self pity underneath. It's nostalgia. It's been long enough that he doesn't even think of it with that sharp edge anymore, and that's what killed me dead about this whole episode. There's an urgency, because the here and the now matters, but there's also a sense of weariness. It's over and done with long ago, for all that it isn't really.
- "'Fraid not. Freak accident. Sorry," cracked me up in spite of everything. It's just so damned Stargate. Heh.
- Also, we have absolute proof that Rodney should never, underany most circumstances, be allowed to dress himself. He looks like Mr. Rogers. It's disturbing.
- John losing his shit will also never get old.
- But oh, the look on John's face when it all clicks into place. Notice he doesn't say 'everyone', doesn't make it about the whole of his world. On the one hand, it's just a thought too big to consider. On the other, though... his eyes keep tracing up and down Rodney, and that look he's wearing is a carbon copy of the one from that moment in Doppelganger when all of us stopped breathing. This loss is personal.
- I love the fact that John tries to say something several times while Rodney's casually laying out the end of everything, and that he never manages to get the words out.
- "... the great Dr. Rodney McKay." Oh. oh. This is where I cried. It's such an innocuous little moment, and yet it's everything. It's pure Rodney, the same kind of thoughtless assurance that he's always had, except that it isn't at all. He's too quiet, and there's irony in him that should never, ever be there. Knowing how it all turns out, what he gives up to get this far, makes that one little line so sharp.
- And John, brilliant guy that he is, is cataloging all the differences the whole time.
- The lights coming on and then fading out behind them are a beautiful touch. The shading on the walls is, too. Without the sunlight, the rest of Atlantis should just look empty, but it goes deeper than that. They made her look different. *adores*
- Completely shallowly: good lord, Flanigan in the scene where Rodney's explaining the downfall of civilization as they knew it, that shot over Hewlett's shoulder... That is one terrifyingly pretty man. *sigh*
- Teyla. God, Teyla. The way Rodney smiles for a moment in there, and the way he still can't quite understand why Michael killed her. Oh.
- When they're walking along and Rodney's telling John he's a moron for blaming himself, it's the first time he really sounds like Rodney. Huh.
- I am going to need an icon of the sand in that hallway and Rodney silhouetted against it. That is just a gorgeous graphic.
- John psyching himself up to ask about everyone else is painful.
- Rodney talks about Sam like she's legend. There's fondness in it, but also awe. I've always thought that underneath it all, he hero worships her, and this is a Rodney who's not bothering to hide it.
- Radek! Hi! Also, aw.
- Sam says goodbye, because she knows. Oh, Sam.
- And this is where the idea of POV comes in. On the surface, they need to show things Rodney hasn't been privy to just to keep us all out here from being bored to tears. Deeper than that, though... Whatever we're seeing is through Rodney's eyes. It's what he assumes happened, and what he remembers through his own lenses. It's like John's Replicator-induced dream from way back when; in that light, every flashback reads as a look not just into the past, but also into Rodney's head.
- Along those lines: he tells John that Sam must have been trapped, and yet pictures her not even trying to escape. He's still got things he won't say, places he can't go out loud.
- Hewlett. Oh, Hewlett. Between the quiet acceptance of "And we buried another empty casket," and the way he sounds tired underneath the panic of a plan falling apart, god.
- I love that Ronon goes back to who he was before everything. Not just before Atlantis, but before the Running. Atlantis has changed him enough that he can be who he was. Despite it all, he's healed that much.
- Todd! Hi, Todd!
- Back to this being through Rodney's vision: Todd's explanation of his plan is so purely Rodney. *snort* Also, "I was just gonna blow it up" is hilariously caricatured Ronon.
- Rodney thinks Ronon smiled like that at the end. This may be the other moment when I cried.
- "I wish some of these stories had happier endings." I don't even have anything to say to that.
- Rodney's ashamed of himself. Even knowing that it worked, he doesn't want to talk about what he did or what he had to do.
- Woolsey. Huh. And the IOA being exactly the kind of bastards we've always known they'd be. There are thinky thoughts to be had here, but I'm not going to have them. Sorry.
- So, Michael definitely = Hitler now, right? What with the genocide and the appeasement tactics and all. Hm.
- The one thing that Rodney still clings to, the one thing he's got left of what was, is that John's alive. That right there is pure faith.
- God, that kiss. Whoa. He keeps opening his eyes. *falls over*
- It is absolutely no secret that I can lalala my way through anything un-OTP, but the Keller thing... I bought it. All the way. They're cute together under normal circumstances, and under these, they're sweetly heartbreaking. They're all they have of who they were, and they make it work.
- Rodney without the SGC always hurts me. Rationally, I know that life goes on, that he wouldn't just curl up in the fetal position, but it's like watching someone be paralyzed.
- Rodney in that SGC hallway is bad, but Rodney with that terrible hope is worse.
- Shallow interjection: can we frequently get Hewlett in his PJs? Because... yeah. Mm. This would be the one exception to the Not Allowed To Dress Himself rule.
- Back to the pain: Rodney McKay living in a dark little apartment and working at a community college... There are not words for that. There's so much wasted, so much gone tight and horrifyingly mundane, that I can't even harness it. I hate every moment of this, and yet adore it all the same. It's so very him, to narrow everything down to one single problem and then fix it. And in the face of that, if everything else goes by the wayside, that's just how it works. Rodney McKay does what needs to be done, because the alternative is to lay down and die and that's not enough for him.
- Jeannie! Hi, Jeannie! But, oh, even she gave up? I do not think that ended well. *winces*
- Lorne! Lorne made General!
- This scene in Lorne's office is fantastic. This conversation between these two men, possibly the only ones left who understand, is so well done. The acting alone is awesome, but it goes right down to the props and the lighting. They're older here, indefinably different, and their power dynamic is changed, and there's history between them that runs so deep it's under the skin. *shivers*
- "You saw what happened in Pegasus, you know what's happening here." I'm guessing that whole strategy of handing the galaxy over to Michael and hoping he'd be content with his new toys didn't work out so well. Congratulations, IOA, for once again pulling an ostrich maneuver in the face of certain doom.
- What happened to Rodney after he made the program work? He very conspicuously doesn't say, maybe because this version of him doesn't know, but he also doesn't even vaguely seem to care. His entire life meant nothing, except for this. Earlier, he says, "I spent the last 25 years of my life..." and I wonder if the phrasing is intentional. Not "I've spent"; more final. Ouch.
- That makes two weeks in a row Rodney's had to freeze dry a friend (give or take 48,000 years). I wonder what happened to Carson in this timeline?
- The bandanna and the dust makes me want an Old West train robber John AU. He'd be very Robin Hood about it, of course, but he'd also be gloriously badass. When he wasn't being a doofus and imagining them all as pirates of the plains, of course.
- I love John's frustration while waiting for clearance. I'd blame the 700 years of cryogenic captivity, but really, it's just pure John.
- The hair question, and the fact that John honestly thinks about how he's going to answer it, are great. He's off screen at the time, but you know he's going through that wormhole with just a hint of a smirk.
- I love that John walks into the room where Teyla's not and can't take his eyes off of that floor for a while.
- And then the world falls down around their ears. I'll admit, I didn't see that one coming. What the fuck?
And now we hurry up and wait. *jitters* At least there should be plenty of fic on the way, right?
*off to go read what everyone else thought*
And then I watched it again.
Oh. Just... oh.
The specifics:
- I'm really curious about where they're going with the Genii. I like that it's not a simple resolve, that they're drawing out the uncertainty like an actual conflict between nations.
- I love the colors in this episode so, so much. I love that the first scene on the planet with Lorne is vibrant and green and alive, and that Atlantis is instantly so foreign. Beautiful, always beautiful, but like a photographic negative.
- I love the soundtrack - or more accurately the lack thereof - at the best moments here. The utter silence when John comes through the gate... oh.
- Then we get Doctor Who music. Hee.
- The contrast to that very first time they came through the gate is fantastic. There's nothing here now. No 10,000-year-old dead plants, no commemorative plaque, nothing. What kills me is the lack of sheets over the equipment. The Ancients always assumed they were coming back; whatever happened this time around, we didn't.
- John talking to himself when the world goes to hell never gets old.
- I'll say it for the first time here, but you can bet it won't be the last. Jesus god, guys, Hewlett in this one.... Even his voice is different in that first radio conversation. It takes a while to sink in, but there's so much missing, so much worn away. God.
- Oh, man. The entire scene in the hologram room. The first time through it was just cool and explanatory, but the second time... This is where I crumbled. This is where it's all so obvious in retrospect that what's coming is horrific, and just how much hope is resting on this one last try.
- The way Rodney looks at John is heartbreaking. It's hope and history and an edge of pain.
- I adore "You remember me the... the way I was," and the fact that it's not self pity underneath. It's nostalgia. It's been long enough that he doesn't even think of it with that sharp edge anymore, and that's what killed me dead about this whole episode. There's an urgency, because the here and the now matters, but there's also a sense of weariness. It's over and done with long ago, for all that it isn't really.
- "'Fraid not. Freak accident. Sorry," cracked me up in spite of everything. It's just so damned Stargate. Heh.
- Also, we have absolute proof that Rodney should never, under
- John losing his shit will also never get old.
- But oh, the look on John's face when it all clicks into place. Notice he doesn't say 'everyone', doesn't make it about the whole of his world. On the one hand, it's just a thought too big to consider. On the other, though... his eyes keep tracing up and down Rodney, and that look he's wearing is a carbon copy of the one from that moment in Doppelganger when all of us stopped breathing. This loss is personal.
- I love the fact that John tries to say something several times while Rodney's casually laying out the end of everything, and that he never manages to get the words out.
- "... the great Dr. Rodney McKay." Oh. oh. This is where I cried. It's such an innocuous little moment, and yet it's everything. It's pure Rodney, the same kind of thoughtless assurance that he's always had, except that it isn't at all. He's too quiet, and there's irony in him that should never, ever be there. Knowing how it all turns out, what he gives up to get this far, makes that one little line so sharp.
- And John, brilliant guy that he is, is cataloging all the differences the whole time.
- The lights coming on and then fading out behind them are a beautiful touch. The shading on the walls is, too. Without the sunlight, the rest of Atlantis should just look empty, but it goes deeper than that. They made her look different. *adores*
- Completely shallowly: good lord, Flanigan in the scene where Rodney's explaining the downfall of civilization as they knew it, that shot over Hewlett's shoulder... That is one terrifyingly pretty man. *sigh*
- Teyla. God, Teyla. The way Rodney smiles for a moment in there, and the way he still can't quite understand why Michael killed her. Oh.
- When they're walking along and Rodney's telling John he's a moron for blaming himself, it's the first time he really sounds like Rodney. Huh.
- I am going to need an icon of the sand in that hallway and Rodney silhouetted against it. That is just a gorgeous graphic.
- John psyching himself up to ask about everyone else is painful.
- Rodney talks about Sam like she's legend. There's fondness in it, but also awe. I've always thought that underneath it all, he hero worships her, and this is a Rodney who's not bothering to hide it.
- Radek! Hi! Also, aw.
- Sam says goodbye, because she knows. Oh, Sam.
- And this is where the idea of POV comes in. On the surface, they need to show things Rodney hasn't been privy to just to keep us all out here from being bored to tears. Deeper than that, though... Whatever we're seeing is through Rodney's eyes. It's what he assumes happened, and what he remembers through his own lenses. It's like John's Replicator-induced dream from way back when; in that light, every flashback reads as a look not just into the past, but also into Rodney's head.
- Along those lines: he tells John that Sam must have been trapped, and yet pictures her not even trying to escape. He's still got things he won't say, places he can't go out loud.
- Hewlett. Oh, Hewlett. Between the quiet acceptance of "And we buried another empty casket," and the way he sounds tired underneath the panic of a plan falling apart, god.
- I love that Ronon goes back to who he was before everything. Not just before Atlantis, but before the Running. Atlantis has changed him enough that he can be who he was. Despite it all, he's healed that much.
- Todd! Hi, Todd!
- Back to this being through Rodney's vision: Todd's explanation of his plan is so purely Rodney. *snort* Also, "I was just gonna blow it up" is hilariously caricatured Ronon.
- Rodney thinks Ronon smiled like that at the end. This may be the other moment when I cried.
- "I wish some of these stories had happier endings." I don't even have anything to say to that.
- Rodney's ashamed of himself. Even knowing that it worked, he doesn't want to talk about what he did or what he had to do.
- Woolsey. Huh. And the IOA being exactly the kind of bastards we've always known they'd be. There are thinky thoughts to be had here, but I'm not going to have them. Sorry.
- So, Michael definitely = Hitler now, right? What with the genocide and the appeasement tactics and all. Hm.
- The one thing that Rodney still clings to, the one thing he's got left of what was, is that John's alive. That right there is pure faith.
- God, that kiss. Whoa. He keeps opening his eyes. *falls over*
- It is absolutely no secret that I can lalala my way through anything un-OTP, but the Keller thing... I bought it. All the way. They're cute together under normal circumstances, and under these, they're sweetly heartbreaking. They're all they have of who they were, and they make it work.
- Rodney without the SGC always hurts me. Rationally, I know that life goes on, that he wouldn't just curl up in the fetal position, but it's like watching someone be paralyzed.
- Rodney in that SGC hallway is bad, but Rodney with that terrible hope is worse.
- Shallow interjection: can we frequently get Hewlett in his PJs? Because... yeah. Mm. This would be the one exception to the Not Allowed To Dress Himself rule.
- Back to the pain: Rodney McKay living in a dark little apartment and working at a community college... There are not words for that. There's so much wasted, so much gone tight and horrifyingly mundane, that I can't even harness it. I hate every moment of this, and yet adore it all the same. It's so very him, to narrow everything down to one single problem and then fix it. And in the face of that, if everything else goes by the wayside, that's just how it works. Rodney McKay does what needs to be done, because the alternative is to lay down and die and that's not enough for him.
- Jeannie! Hi, Jeannie! But, oh, even she gave up? I do not think that ended well. *winces*
- Lorne! Lorne made General!
- This scene in Lorne's office is fantastic. This conversation between these two men, possibly the only ones left who understand, is so well done. The acting alone is awesome, but it goes right down to the props and the lighting. They're older here, indefinably different, and their power dynamic is changed, and there's history between them that runs so deep it's under the skin. *shivers*
- "You saw what happened in Pegasus, you know what's happening here." I'm guessing that whole strategy of handing the galaxy over to Michael and hoping he'd be content with his new toys didn't work out so well. Congratulations, IOA, for once again pulling an ostrich maneuver in the face of certain doom.
- What happened to Rodney after he made the program work? He very conspicuously doesn't say, maybe because this version of him doesn't know, but he also doesn't even vaguely seem to care. His entire life meant nothing, except for this. Earlier, he says, "I spent the last 25 years of my life..." and I wonder if the phrasing is intentional. Not "I've spent"; more final. Ouch.
- That makes two weeks in a row Rodney's had to freeze dry a friend (give or take 48,000 years). I wonder what happened to Carson in this timeline?
- The bandanna and the dust makes me want an Old West train robber John AU. He'd be very Robin Hood about it, of course, but he'd also be gloriously badass. When he wasn't being a doofus and imagining them all as pirates of the plains, of course.
- I love John's frustration while waiting for clearance. I'd blame the 700 years of cryogenic captivity, but really, it's just pure John.
- The hair question, and the fact that John honestly thinks about how he's going to answer it, are great. He's off screen at the time, but you know he's going through that wormhole with just a hint of a smirk.
- I love that John walks into the room where Teyla's not and can't take his eyes off of that floor for a while.
- And then the world falls down around their ears. I'll admit, I didn't see that one coming. What the fuck?
And now we hurry up and wait. *jitters* At least there should be plenty of fic on the way, right?
*off to go read what everyone else thought*
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Date: 2008-03-08 10:28 pm (UTC)This ep simply broke my heart (I don't think SGA's made me tear up before, but they so did this time.)
It is absolutely no secret that I can lalala my way through anything un-OTP, but the Keller thing... I bought it. All the way. They're cute together under normal circumstances, and under these, they're sweetly heartbreaking. They're all they have of who they were, and they make it work.
Me too! (When I first saw that kiss in the promo last week, I was anxious about how they'd get there, but this totally made sense.)
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Date: 2008-03-09 12:12 am (UTC)*commiserates* Uh-huh. Bitty pieces scattered everywhere. This show hasn't made my eyes sting since Sunday, which had me sniffling pitifully. (Oh hush. Yes, I'm a sap.)
When I first saw that kiss in the promo last week, I was anxious about how they'd get there, but this totally made sense
You know, the funny thing is that every time I think this show is about to do something that will kick my John/Rodney little self in the pants, it shocks the daylights out of me. Pleasantly, even. I thought Sam was going to be traumatic, I thought Quarantine was going to be a death knell, and I thought the Keller kiss was going to make me sigh sadly. I love being wrong. *g*
Although, admittedly, I was looking forward to the kissing. I mean, Hewlett kissing is very ahem, regardless of all other considerations. *g*
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Date: 2008-03-09 12:30 am (UTC)YES YES and YES. I love that none of those relationships interfered with the
eternal love of John and Rodneyslash.Although, admittedly, I was looking forward to the kissing. I mean, Hewlett kissing is very ahem,
Nrrrgggh, yes. He should kiss
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Date: 2008-03-09 01:06 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-03-09 01:40 am (UTC)never once even entertained the thought that he could change the universe
I hadn't even thought of that. There have to be easier ways to reset the timeline, or at least ones that don't involve so many variables, and yet he never even thinks twice. For all he knows, John died the second he came through the gate in the future, except that that isn't how it works. He's going on comic book logic, really. In his own head, John's the hero, and Rodney's the one who survives.
*sigh* I think John's his talisman against everything gone wrong. Through all the awfulness, he clings to the idea that John's out there somewhere, and that keeps him going right up until he's lost everything else, and there's nothing left to stop him from doing what he shouldn't. John's just that central to his world. It's all or nothing, and his all starts with John.
I love that the title is about Rodney as much as John. God, this episode.
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Date: 2008-03-09 04:04 am (UTC)YES!! With a little touch of of the "..what?" of "Miller's Crossing". But, yes, 2nd time through we paused and observed the exact Doppelganger similarities. Oh his eyes!
...no comments on the Hewlett's eyes, because then I dissolve into gibbering incoherency. My god what a performance. Every expression, every word - the weariness and the hope and the madness...
What happened to Rodney after he made the program work?
I think he died on Atlantis, because no one else did, and someone should have...(lj user=friendshipper> had something of a cracktastic theory, though.)
I also think that we now know that John will never die before Rodney. Because should he do so, Rodney will move heaven and earth and 25 years of time to get him back (okay, there were other considerations but still!)(*quietly dies of OTP*)
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Date: 2008-03-09 05:00 am (UTC)How much do I love this season for giving us a patented 'Oh god, Rodney's dead' Johnface to go with our familiar and much-loved 'Oh god, John's dead' Rodneyface? *g*
And Hewlett... holy hell did that man rock this episode. Whoa. For all that the character is so overt, there are so many subtle layers to what he does to bring him alive. Just... damn.
I think he died on Atlantis, because no one else did
That's an interesting point. Huh. I hadn't even noticed that, really, but I do like the full-circleness of it. I didn't get the impression that Rodney, at least at the time of making the hologram, put any kind of stock at all in his own future. Which, you know, broke my heart all over again. *sighs*
Because should he do so, Rodney will move heaven and earth and 25 years of time to get him back
Rodney is one stubborn guy. Take note, universe: if you take his John, he will mess you up. *g*
Weirdly enough, the one thing that consistently shatters me in fic is Rodney post-John, at least where death is permanent. I can handle a dead Rodney, even occasionally one that stays that way, but a Rodney in the aftermath of John... yeah. Can't do it. There are at least two brilliant, gorgeous fics I can't ever get near again because that first reading left me in pieces. What I think it is is that, even when he gets it together and moves on, Rodney's never really Rodney again afterward. The fact that this episode pretty much proved that might explain some of my scary attachment to it.
*quietly joins you in OTP-induced death*
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Date: 2008-03-11 07:21 pm (UTC)SO VERY MUCH! Here's to hoping we get more of it! (the OGJD!Rodneyface is what sold me on this show and on Rodney. "38 Minutes", he looks at John with that *worry*, and I was instantly, "Okay, need more of that STAT!")
There are at least two brilliant, gorgeous fics I can't ever get near again because that first reading left me in pieces.
...I just gotta ask. One of these would be "Freedom's Just Another Word..." naturally; what's the other? (mostly for me to avoid it. Or else prod it like a bruise and let it hurt me. ^^;)
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Date: 2008-03-13 04:52 am (UTC)So yeah. You've been warned. *g*
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Date: 2008-03-13 05:02 am (UTC)accccck now I need happy!fic *pokes through opened tabs*
SG:A 4x20 - The Last Man
Date: 2008-03-09 07:04 am (UTC)I loved The Last Man! Joining your squee!
Love, max
Re: SG:A 4x20 - The Last Man
Date: 2008-03-10 03:47 am (UTC)I know! Just... *flails*
*squees around with you*
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Date: 2008-03-09 01:29 pm (UTC)So lonely, both of them. And when Rodney's talking about how exhausting the first year was without John... you just know it's not all about the spaceship-building.
This series is really into the 'what if' apocalyptic scenarios, huh? But despite the fact they've used essentially this same tactic and premise before, it's still so fresh and wonderful to see these two guys play it out.
Study? what's that? You've made me want to watch the ep again.
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Date: 2008-03-10 04:13 am (UTC)*nods seriously* The man built nuclear weapons while high on stimulants and he says that this is the most worn out he's ever been? It's all about the John-less trauma, I tell you.
This series is really into the 'what if' apocalyptic scenarios, huh?
Really kind of is. If you count all the times SG:1 did it, that's a whole lot of World-Go-Boom, and yet, it still works. Not quite sure how they manage that, but I'm not complaining. Both shows are very, very big on 'what if' in general, what with all the AUs that come into play, and the occasional retcon, and the totally blithe willingness to kill certain characters repeatedly. I would make a jokes about said certain character here, but I'm not sure how far you've gotten with SG:1. Have you begun to notice a particular trend-o-death yet?
Weirdly enough, what I'd think of as a handicap in other shows tends to make me like these all the more.
Or, you know, it could just be that it's John and Rodney at the end of the world. I'm easy like that. *g*
Study? what's that?
*dies* Holy crap, Kris, neuro. Neuro. *shudders*
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Date: 2008-03-10 04:25 am (UTC)Definitely could be.
And Neuro. Frngh.
As someone who friggin majored in neuroscience for undergrad, I thought that course and exam were hellish.
I'm 'working' on Tox tonight. Also bleh, but at least it's not a Pass or Bust course. You have my sympathies. It'll be okay, it'll just suck a little until Okay comes by.
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Date: 2008-03-09 11:01 pm (UTC)The death of Sam made me cry, ten years of SG1, the goau'lds, the Ori, and she died in another galaxy. And so heroically, going down with her ship, taking the enemy with her. I want to see fics of SG1 dealing with her death.
And Teyla, and Ronon, and Rodney working non-stop is so him, it's how he dealt (or not) with Elizabeth's and Carson's deaths, and no wonder that he keep going, lost after lost.
Rodney said he didn't have a lot of friends in the SGC, and I wonder what it means.
Really loves that after all this years, Lorne still calls him Doc.
About Carson, I don't know if it's a case of the writers forgetting about him or a case of hinting and letting us find it:
Woosley said that Keller was losing her time trying to find a cure for the Hoffan's drug so I don't see the IOA letting her findind a cure for Carson or letting a clone uses the energy of Atlantis. I think the IOA decided to let him die.
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Date: 2008-03-10 04:34 am (UTC)Yeah. I kept thinking, Oh, that's not going to go over well back home. SG:1 just sort of goes in that mythic category, you know? It's very hard to conceive of any of them being really and truly gone.
it's how he dealt (or not) with Elizabeth's and Carson's deaths
Exactly! He doesn't handle grief at all, really, just finds a new focus until it fades enough to be manageable. It makes perfect sense to me that he'd hopscotch from one problem to the next - finding Teyla, building the ship, living like a normal civilian - until he didn't have any refuges left and had to aim at the biggest wrong he could find.
Rodney said he didn't have a lot of friends in the SGC, and I wonder what it means.
Honestly, he never really has had many friends there. Pretty much everyone who knows Rodney as anything other than That Guy We Shipped To Siberia wound up in Atlantis, and/or is dead by that point. Last time things went to hell with Atlantis, Zelenka left the program entirely, so he's probably out. If you're right about them killing Carson, that effectively takes out anyone but Lorne that we really know at all. The fact that SG:1 is apparently out of the picture too doesn't bode well, either.
Really loves that after all this years, Lorne still calls him Doc.
Me, too. I'm so in love with that scene as a whole. It's so quiet and surprising, and I like the sense of acknowledgment of history it has.
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Date: 2008-03-10 07:42 pm (UTC)I'll say it for the first time here, but you can bet it won't be the last. Jesus god, guys, Hewlett in this one.... Even his voice is different in that first radio conversation. It takes a while to sink in, but there's so much missing, so much worn away. God.
Right there with you. Holy hell, he is so damned amazing. The fatigue, even with the happiness that McKay's plan worked, is evident in everything. Kudos to David.
It is absolutely no secret that I can lalala my way through anything un-OTP, but the Keller thing... I bought it. All the way. They're cute together under normal circumstances, and under these, they're sweetly heartbreaking. They're all they have of who they were, and they make it work.
Totally. I'm a true blue McKay/Sheppard fan, who'll nod and smile (and dismiss) any other pairing, but DH and JS had some wicked chemistry going there. (And OH GOD would I have loved to have been on set that day. With as much crap as Hewlett dishes out to her on a regular basis (from what we've heard), I can only imagine and giggle at what went down that day. "So, best kisser: me or Sean Maher?")
I wonder what happened to Carson in this timeline?
I thought that was definitely a boo on the part of the writers; we couldn't have had one sentence about Carson's fate? I mean, you're loading John into stasis, and that's how we ended last ep. It's a glaring omission.
Loved the ep (my squee! It cannot be harshed!). Thanks for this discussion.
I hope you don't mind that I'm going to pre-emptively friend you -- I don't want to miss any future discussions like this.
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Date: 2008-03-13 05:10 am (UTC)Hee. I'll bet it was a blast to watch. Maybe we'll get some behind the scenes clips? There's one floating around from Mallozi's blog that shows the moseying-down-the-sidewalk scene, and they definitely crack up at the end of it, but it's too distant to tell what sets them off.
"So, best kisser: me or Sean Maher?"
Given the evidence of that scene (his eyes, Jesus on a skateboard, his eyes), I'm leaning toward Hewlett. *waggles eyebrows*
It's a glaring omission.
Yeah. On the one hand, I'd really like to have gotten a hint. On the other, there's so much that doesn't get covered - so much there's just no time to cover - that it could have filled up a few more hours of film. They did a nice job at hinting at things going on off screen that Rodney just didn't care enough to give his full attention, or didn't think John needed to know.
Then again, if HoloRodney didn't know what had happened to the population in general, maybe he had no clue what had happened to Carson. He'd know the pod was empty, but maybe that's all the info he had access to. I still wonder if he even knew what became of himself.
If nothing else, we've got a metric ton of fic fodder. *g*
Loved the ep (my squee! It cannot be harshed!). Thanks for this discussion.
I dress my squee up like a hockey goalie. Makes it extra difficult to squish. *g*
Thanks so much for stopping by, and please friend away! I've been on a quest for a few months now to remember what it's like to be a productive member of fandom, so there should be fannish stuff hereabouts pretty often.
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Date: 2008-03-11 04:22 am (UTC)Thanks for the sum up, I needed my personal squee validated. *grins* Totally my favorite ep of the season, and I wasn't expecting anything to top Miller's Crossing. Oh, the Hewlett. *sighs*
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Date: 2008-03-13 05:23 am (UTC)Ha! Now that you mention it... Hee. I kinda love how much of the Han/Leia dialogue could be transfered to our guys and still have them be in character. Snark is multi-universal. *g*
And he's convinced that if only John hadn't disappeared, it would have all been okay. That's OTP.
I know! As we've always suspected, as far as Rodney's concerned, John Sheppard is the key to everything. There have got to be easier ways to split off a new timeline, but Rodney Rube Goldberg's his way into the impossible instead. Logically, it makes no sense that it needs to be John, and yet... 25 years. Man.
I needed my personal squee validated.
Hee. Always glad to help. *g*